Friday, October 11, 2013

Sharknado

On the one side, I feel I have wasted an hour and a half. On the other side I've seen three tornadoes spewing sharks. Horrible graphics, terrible dialogue, no plot and a physicists nightmare . However, ignoring all that, it was still a horrible movie. The Australian calls himself a Tasmanian and the hot chick kills a shark with a pool cue. I could go on for hours. The only redeeming part is the song in the end credits: The Ballad of Sharknado:

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The Church of Prince Philip

Is Prince Philip a god? According to a small tribe of people in Vanuatu, he is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement
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Sunday, October 6, 2013

An Interesting Facebook discussion from my wall:
  • What proof is there for God (or Gods)? I'm not having a go, I'd really like to know why so many people believe in him/her/it/them.
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    • Glen Honan For the same reasons people use internet explorer.
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    • Suzanne Dalgleish We already had this conversation... kind of.
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    • Timothy Wilson *grabs popcorn*
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    • Kieran Leschinski Call me forgetful, but I can't remember the reasons.
      Gestern um 14:16 · Gefällt mir
    • Suzanne Dalgleish It's impossible to give a proof, especially when talking to scientists. But the second question I can elaborate on a little. We possibly discussed being in awe of the beauty of the Universe, and the amazing symmetry, the maths of it all. How life may seem meaningless without some Creator or other. Because what is our purpose if we are simply here to live and die... I can't remember really either, we covered a lot...
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    • Cristiano Gabriele Ridelio In my holy opinion it doesn't really matter if there's a god or not (I'd consider myself as an agnostic or ignostic), but from a psychological point of view and regarding statistical research it's healthier to believe in something transcendental than not to. ^^
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    • Ashley Smith I don't believe in God, I believe in myself.. which is kinda the same thing
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    • Mateja NV what Suzanne said can be seen in a great movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/?ref_=sr_1

      The Man from Earth (2007)
      www.imdb.com
      Directed by Richard Schenkman. With David Lee Smith, Tony Todd, John Billingsley...Mehr anzeigen
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    • Kieran Leschinski If it's impossible to give a proof, especially when talking to scientists, does that mean many people don't believe science? Is there proof that you can give to a non-scientist? How do people "know" about God then?
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    • Mateja NV try watching the movie... the main character is a professor! who claims once he was Jesus Christ, Hercules...
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    • Cristiano Gabriele Ridelio "Contact" is also a great movie in the tradition of sciences vs. religions. ^^
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    • Ashley Smith "Manborg" is another interesting title which explores the nature of the human condition
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    • Adam Arnold If you are on twitter, follow GSpellchecker - a keen debater of this topic...
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    • Peter Murnane Knowing of a God is like anything you know of. As a person your knowledge and opinions are almost entirely based upon things you have been told/observed/read across your life time. Eg food nutrition, how planes work, what happens if your arteries get clogged or the period table. Your knowledge is entirely based on someone else's prior discovery or experience.
      You only "know" that weet bix has 6.7% sugar because the package told you so. You only "know" that 78% of earth's atmosphere is nitrogen because someone told you, you didn't discover that yourself. I put knowing of God in the same basket. Someone else told you about God and until proven otherwise there is reason to believe truth in the existence.
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    • Kieran Leschinski My only quarrel with that statement is that if I wanted to, I could go and measure the amount of Nitrogen in the atmosphere myself or the amount of sugar in weetbix. I have in fact built a plane myself. In my 26 years on the earth though, and as much as I've asked, I'm yet to receive a sign that proves God. Hence my asking this question. Everything else around me, I've been able to reproduce or would at least know where to begin. But God is still eluding me. So how do people know (apart from word of mouth and the bible) that he exists?
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    • Peter Murnane Agree with what you say. I'd say personal experience for knowing the existence of God.
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    • Kieran Leschinski Do you have one? If so, would you mind sharing it with me? (We can go to a private message if you'd like)
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    • Peter Murnane As for why people believe, it can be a comfort thing to thank a greater being for your life. Or to give strength/faith in hard times. That's a more individual answer than scientific.
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    • Mateja NV because they've experienced miracles for praying to Lord or Saints? trough prophets like pater James and others? i, directly, saw a kid getting up from his wheelchair...
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    • Kieran Leschinski I'm happy to accept why people need a God. That doesn't help though with where the proof is.
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    • Kieran Leschinski Wow! How old was he? What was his condition?
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    • Suzanne Dalgleish People of different backgrounds define proofs differently. Scientists can prove that 1 + 1 = 2 whereas others will likely prove that miracles or a simple feeling within their heart shows them that there is something more. When a person is truly happy and content with themselves and really knows who they are, I think there's an immense feeling of connectedness with something greater... 
      Oh and we talked about the fact that we can never know everything, that even if we did then life would seem redundant. Where's the beauty of seeing the Northern Lights or listening to music or being in love if it can all be explained by science? I see it as taking the human out of humanity... (although that's maybe a bit extreme).
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    • Glen Honan That wasn't divine intervention that was a charlaton faith healer...
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    • Derek Brown I think for many it gives meaning to their life, a sense of purpose, and a set of guidelines which they should live by to be caring, good-natured human beings. It doesn't matter if he/she/it/they exist and whether there's proof, but that people are able to live better lives and help others by believing in something.
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    • Glen Honan I think the message that Feynman gives in this video about UFO'shttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLaRXYai19A can be applied to almost any unfalsifiable hypothesis for which there is no "true" evidence of such as the existence of God.

      Feynman Chaser - The Likelihood of Flying Saucers
      www.youtube.com
      Richard Feynman gives his preferred explanation of reports of flying saucers.
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    • Patrick Leschinski In my experience there are two kinds of believers. There are those who are born into a religious family, and are indoctrinated with religion in the beginning (if you'll excuse the choice of words). Children don't become sentient until about 15 years of age, by which time it is near impossible to unlearn everything you've ever known about anything, despite any evidence you may come across to the contrary.
      The other kind are people who convert later in life, and this generally seems to be during a time of great stress, injury or otherwise emotional upheaval. In this case it goes back to Petes statement of comfort. When people are most vulnerable, they want an easy answer to why things are. When you're *insert important person/object/country* has just been destroyed, it is difficult to think rationally and devise and eliminate potential causes and effect in a scientific manner. It is much easier to accept that there is someone bigger who will take responsibility for it all, and you can just float along the river. This is shown strongly in children, when they have parents or older siblings to take responsibility, and also in adults, where it's always the coffee maker, or the council, or google maps, or someone elses fault, but never your responsibility. People don't like to take responsibility and it's much more comforting to believe that everything is predestined and you can't/couldn't do anything about it
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    • Kieran Leschinski As someone who understands the northern lights, don't you find it even more amazing and exciting knowing why it's happening? I do. To many, a galaxy isn't just a cool picture that Hubble gave us. For me the truth is sooo much more astounding than that. I love knowing what the different colours and stripes actually mean, because it makes me so much more aware of how lucky we really are to, firstly be aware of what we're looking at and secondly have the developed the ability to actually see it. If I showed a picture of a galaxy or even a picture of the northern lights to a baby, he/she would try to eat the picture. Our journey towards understanding the world around us is the most magnificient thing there is. By learning about the world around us, there is so much more that you will be astounded by than just what meets the eye
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    • Mateja NV he was about 12, very bad conditions, completely dependent of help of others.
      charlaton or not, the boy became an example of 'miracle'
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    • Patrick Leschinski That's really deep. And I couldn't agree with you more. But not everyone thinks the same way. A lot of people don't need to know why and how everything works. It does, and as long as it keeps doing so, that's enough. And a man in teh clouds is a far easier explanation than charged particles whizzing through space from a giant ball of fusing hydrogen interacting with the earth's geomagnetic field and releasing energy in the form of photons.
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    • Michelle Jellett I wasn't aware that religion was about finding proof, but rather, about faith.
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    • Kieran Leschinski I guess I just don't understand why people lose their curiosity about life, the universe and everything. I guess I probably sound too much like Carl Sagan.
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    • Kieran Leschinski Faith is a tricky word in my opinion. If a stock broker says "give me all your money, have faith in me and I'll double it for you", you have no idea if he'll run off with your life savings or not. So why is it good to have faith? Governments, Banks, Companies don't run on faith, they have evidence for why they are doing what they do. I too, prefer not to rely on faith. Hence my search for proof or evidence of God.
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    • Patrick Leschinski See this is where my opinion on religion turns sour. I'm all down with people choosing a higher being as an explanation for life, death and lightning, but when the word 'faith' is brought into it, I become critical. 'Faith' means believing in something with no supporting evidence. You can't explain it, you just have to have faith. What if new discoveries and information prove something wrong? Like electricity, gravity, or modern medicine. In the past (see: renaissance, galileo) scientists were outlawed because they proposed ideas that were against the church. Ideas which turned out to be true, but showed they were unfaithful. If they had true faith, they would have ignored the evidence and had faith that they made a mistake and god is actually responsible for the light of the sun.
      Faith is believing something without evidence, or even in the face of contradictory evidence. This is the opposite of reason and logic, and can only hinder progress.
      I'm not anti religion, and if anyone chooses one explanation over another that's their choice, but it must be based on some sort of evidence, for some REASON, or you're going to have a bad time
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    • Patrick Leschinski Also Mateja, that video is blocked in Australia 
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    • Peter Murnane Not sure what nationality people on this discussion are, but Australians are by far one of the laziest cultures going around. Mediocre is very common and it's rare to exceed in a given field in case you stand out. Instead of supporting such success, our culture will generally take the piss out of someone and call them a nerd because they went beyond the expected level. Like Pat said, it's easier to believe that things are the way they are and will continue to be than to go out there and explore, discover and learn about why it happens. Laziness is a choice which is a lot easier to choose than the alternative. I think laziness is a greater influence than losing curiosity.
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    • Kieran Leschinski Mateja, what has attraction got to do with god? I didn't get past 5:10.
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    • Peter Murnane Patta I'm on your wavelength. Taking a different perspective on what you've said, the sun rising every day can be an act of God for some. Sure it's happened every other day for 2 billion years but some have faith that it will happen again because of God. Faith that they'll get a promotion or grow a rose next spring. If these things happen, that is an act of God, thus a proof of God for that individual.
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    • Michelle Jellett But your question is WHY people believe in god (despite proof). People who have faith are not necessarily seeking proof or a scientific explanation, it's a spiritual thing. Whether this is right or wrong, acceptable or unacceptable is your judgement.
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    • Patrick Leschinski Right, sorry I got sidetracked. So why do people have faith?
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    • Mateja NV im sorry to hear that, but im sure you can find it somewhere else, when it came out it became pretty popular... 
      Attraction is something people actually believe in! Because if one compares religions through the whole Earth (including agnosticism and no      t-defiend-into-whom-i-believe religions) people always (want to) believe there is something that/who cares about you who wants you to be well. attraction here is an energy people call to fulfil their needs. yes, i said i saw the kid, on my eyes, being a mircale by the work of god, but lately ive been questioning my beliefs as well, maybe he had such a strong wish and his brain started to really do miracle with his body, im sure that wouldnt happen if kiddo believed he could do that by his command or wish since he wanted to walk since - always. similar things to the wheelchair example go much further...
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    • Kieran Leschinski Nope, it's the other way around. I know WHY people believe in god, I simply asking what made them convinced that there is a god.
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    • Mateja NV the attraction was answer to what has attraction got to do with god? but i get your point of you. but yes, as i said i saw many 'miracles' being done, from egsorcism to being 'gifted of tongues' and yes i can believe people have proofs..
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    • Peter Murnane That's one mighty big can of worms Patta. Similar reasons to believing in God I think. Comfort of there being help from a greater being. Something to be thankful for. Gets you to a happy after life. Laziness because faith will get you something before hard work will. Also a sense of community, acceptance and belonging among all those who share the same faith.
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    • Kieran Leschinski So I guess, moving back to the topic of what proof is there God, is God responsible for any of the things we see in everyday life? If not, why does he choose to be so invisible? This lies at the core of my feelings on this: If I am to start believing in something, I need to see it first. I guess I'd be the perfect case for Russell's Teapot.
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    • Kieran Leschinski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

      Russell's teapot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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      Russell's teapot, sometimes called the celestial teapot or cosmic teapot, is an ...Mehr anzeigen
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    • Mateja NV i wouldnt know for other religions but also there are some mircales not made for common good. (f.e. stigmas.) refering to your q, believers ask themselves similar q: where did they come from?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlatko_Sudac

      Zlatko Sudac - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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      Fr. Zlatko Sudac (born 24 January 1971) is a Roman Catholicdiocesan priest for the diocese of Krk, Croatia. He is best known for his stigmata.[1]
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    • Suzanne Dalgleish [Sorry for delayed response, it's hard to keep up!]

      I don't really think that religion has anything to do with this...

      I also entirely agree that knowing the science of galaxies and aurora etc. is a really astounding thing, but I feel dismayed when I       am with friends who do only see phenomena as a purely scientific thing and seem disconnected/aloof to actually enjoying the moment.
      Kieran, I am shocked that you link having belief akin to losing curiosity about life and the universe, this is definitely not the case. I know plenty of people who are endlessly curious but still believe in something other.

      And Patrick, I found it funny how you scientifically defined the origins of those who have faith. It's not black and white... It's not whether you've got a religious family/nor is it just because you've experienced a disaster and can't deal with the responsibility... It could simply be that the Universe is an utterly awe-inspiring place and there is some great connection between everything in a way. It's not that there's a creator sitting in the clouds, but more an appreciation of something great, inexplicable, far beyond words that can describe... (I guess I'm describing pantheism in a way).

      I agree with Peter, laziness is not just an Australian thing. It's all over the world. I'm doing a teaching module and have had endless discussions with friends about it, we have agreed that there is an extreme lack of care for studying or being interested in anything. Kids sit at the back, so as to reduce disruptive behaviour, and stare into space and not give a crap about anything, and it seems so much worse now than when we were at school. It feels like it's been enhanced by technology and social media, because it's far more interesting to watch pointless crap on the internet than learn stuff at school. Teachers now give laptops to the students in classes where they don't want to learn, because the teachers have given up, and it's easier to let the kids just play games... ARGH. This really makes me upset.
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    • Nick Grabau There is not meant to be any proof in a God or higher being, belief is what religion is about. Just as people might say Religion helps people understand the unexplainable things such as why we are here, maybe science is God's way of making people understand what we see and live with every day. No one really knows for sure what is going on, you can only make sense of what you can see, the rest is belief.

      It takes a lot from a person to admit they believe in something rather than look for the physical answer, it empowers people to believe and it also comforts them in times where they have no other direction to take. Take what you will, I don't force religion upon anyone but I am religious and that's my view on it
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    • James Briggs There is a need by man to understand the universe, but you don't even need knowledge to do that. God gives you the chance to understand absolutely everything and while knowing absolutely nothing. You can create an extremely simplified model of the world and explain away all pheneomena using that. 
      Perhaps religion comforts people because it reassures them that they actually don't need to know anything except some memorised formulae and a bit of common sense.
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    • Kieran Leschinski So far it seems that everyone is happy to justify why people need god/gods: It makes life easier to bear, it comforts, it explains all the things that we're too lazy to look up Wikipedia for. But I'm still struggling with the elephant in the room: How do we know there is a god? (Given that the only real mysteries left in science are the what triggered the Big Bang and our own self awareness). I guess what I'm really trying to find out is: How have people felt god in their life? How does he make himself known to you? What does he do to reinforce your belief in him? If you believe, have you ever doubted?
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    • James Briggs So you're looking for proof of God via anecdotes? I can't help you.
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    • Kieran Leschinski It's more looking for a personal connection to this concept of god. I'm struggling to see how so many can believe in something so few people have actually experienced. As Nick so rightly put it, "you can only make sense of what you can see". I haven't seen him, so I'm struggling to make sense of him. Hence trying to find people who have actually "experienced" him, her, it or them. Maybe I'm just being too logical about it...
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    • Adam Arnold The clincher for me is when you look at the universe and what we know of it - the billions of stars, the sheer size of it , with detail down to atomic level - if a god created all for this they went to a hell of a lot of effort. Just for us humans too. And this same god simultaneously cares about your happiness/helps you win you sporting match/cures your disease (but must also have caused it?)
      I share your curiosity in the issue - humans are born atheist, and many by adulthood change that - most, one would have to say, to follow the particular deity that their family/community show/teach them. That suggests that there is an common desire for 'spiritual' answers but no one right or true answer. I also wonder how someone who chooses to follow the rules of one belief system or another knows that they have chosen the 'right' one, especially if there are associated rules that conflict with societal principles (currently gender equality, gay marriage, etc ) How many people genuinely and with an open mind explore the other religious options before settling on 'the right' one?
      I do not believe in any god, but like you, if presented with evidence (scientific, not anecdotal with a dash of faith) I would change my view.
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    • Kieran Leschinski I couldn't agree more, Adam. If any one of the 2870 catalogued gods shows him/her/itself to me and can repeatably do something that defies the laws of physics, then I'll change my mind. Until that day though, I shall continue applying the logic, reason and doubt that we have all been taught during our educations to life and the universe around me.
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    • Charitarth Vyas I have somethings which i can share. 1) https://sites.google.com/site/kundansairam/ This is not religion, not even belong to any particular group of people or caste or country- its universally affecting and accepting everyone. 2) Well, i dont know really the answer but i only know that it is a unique journey to know 'that' (he/she/it/they) whatever you call it ! The only thing i learned is 'that' is within 'you', if you can understand who really 'you' are then the story ends. 3) There is a good book (acc. to me) -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi you should, just out of curiosity, read it 4)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavatar_Babaji he is someone really special to me- how and why ? i dont know. So all in all nobody else then your own self can give you the answer you are seeking. It says there is nothing 'out', every answer resides in your 'within'- so look 'inside' and dont search answers 'outside'. I have shared somethings which wouldnt seem to correlate but they are.  I am sorry my answer isnt transitioning smoothly from one point to the another but its connected 

      ૐ ૐ ૐ kundansairam's site
      sites.google.com
      This site is intended to provide 'TRUE KNOWLEDGE' about human life.
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    • Paweł Biernacki First, let me thank you for an excellent question and the curiosity, that's becoming more and more rare these days.

      Second, there were excellent points made, a lot to ponder of.

      Let me tell you my story. I am a believer. As Patrick would say I was ra      ised in Catholic family, but that rather defined my choice or a base for my choice. God is 'something' that you sense, it's personal. It's this presence you feel. And it can be just in you, sure, it can be a projection of your mind. And I agree with that. Everyone is carrying God in him/herself, some of us just don't know it. With that said, Ashley was right.

      I don't think you can get a proof if the God exists. Many who doubted, got a chance to meet God face to face (ask me for details, if you want to know their names). Other people might have disagreed about what those luck ones saw, but then there is no proof, it's a word against the word. There was this story in the Bible about one of Apostles who didn't believe Christ rose from the dead. And yes, I question God's existence. You have to doubt, you have to question, you have to search. But then you have to believe. There is no proof in believing, just personal experience. You can't reproduce belief like you can reproduce results of experiment. It is unique and personal. If you try to look at religion with science, then it's like looking at a length with thermometer.

      And as of miracles, I don't remember who said that, but it goes more or less like this: 'Everything is a miracle before it is explained by science'.
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    • James Briggs Agree with Pawel, that you can have spirtual and natural philosophy and keep them as separate domains. With your last point P, do you think that God operates within the realms of physics then? A tight constraint on his parameters 
      In response to what Kieran last said: If witnessing a miracle from God would make you believe in his existence, would it also make a follower out of you?
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    • Kieran Leschinski A single miracle wouldn't do it. He'd have to repeat it over and over and allow himself to be subjected to the scientific method. (However by the time science is done with him, we'll probably have rewritten the text books.) As far as becoming a follower is concerned, thankfully he gave us Free Will, so chances are no, I wouldn't become a follower. I might believe he exists, but it doesn't mean I'd start worshiping him. He could either be a jealous god and want everyone to praise him, which isn't the kind of god I'd want to praise, or he be all loving, in which case he wouldn't care that I'm not going to praise him. Either way, he'll continue doing his thing and I'll do mine. The only thing that would change would be that I'll accept the fact that a god (or gods) exist and that they live outside the physical laws which they set down in the beginning.
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    • Michelle Jellett Kieran, it still seems to me that you're looking to apply a scientific explanation to something that is not based on science, but faith. Scientifically, we do not know there is a god, which is why I said it's a spiritual thing. What I find fascinating is that so many cultures (ancient and modern), whether or not they've had contact with other cultures, have a belief in a greater being. What is it about the human condition which looks to a greater being?
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    • Adam Stevens This conversation has been on my newsfeed almost endlessly going back to the days of Bebo (don't even know if you guys had that). I might throw in my 2 cents, but I would suggest there are a vast number of debates on YouTube talking about a lot of stuff people are discussing here. See, for instance, the latest dialogues between Lawrence M. Krauss and William Lane Craig (which were hosted in Aus).
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    • Sam Prudden I actually opened a packet of doritos and read the whole thing...
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    • Cameron Redpath I think god is simply a personification of the universe. As humans we are inclined to perceive things with meaning so that we can predict and plan future decisions - by making the enormous cosmos into a simple being it's a lot easier to relate to and predict.
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    • Adam Arnold Didn't you hear Kieran? Deities are now off limits to science. Just have faith that when you die you will get everything you ever wanted, just so long as you personally praise a being (capable of creating a universe with billions of stars) every week, cos if you don't he'll get really mad and torture you for eternity. Because without both the extrinsic rewards or fear of torture there is no chance that you could turn out to be a decent human being.
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    • Paweł Biernacki I really don't think it's about worshipping the God. I really think it's the second kind of God that you mentioned, Kieran. So yeah, do your best and believing or not, Got will still love you. Living a great and honest life you will be OK with anything that happens after your death, if anything happens (but that should be OK for you anyway).
      As of testing over and over again, why can't we define God (among other definitions) as something that cannot be scientifically tested?
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    • Kieran Leschinski @Michelle, like I said earlier, I must be thinking about this too logically. The Oxford dictionary defines "faith" as "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.". Unfortunately as an astrophysicist I live in a world dominated by reason, logic, doubt and evidence. Hence why I find it difficult to suspend these points n favour of spiritual apprehension, and hence my original question: What proof is there for god?
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